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Posts: 11795 (11/03/09 22:42:14) Don't Blame Me, |
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Posts: 3118 (11/04/09 05:48:58) |
Now they have to perform though Xeno. The Dems won in '06 and '08 by being the anti-Bush party, the Repubs need to do more than be the anti-Obama
party. Fortunately, I have a feeling that both of these Govs will do a pretty good job for their states.
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Posts: 8727 (11/04/09 09:16:38) The liberals stopped replying so I win. |
Pretty amazing that in one year's time, there was a 15-20 point swing away from Obama to the GOP candidates in those two states, especially a traditional
blue state like New Jersey.
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Posts: 11040 (11/04/09 10:14:33) Lost Cleric of Norrath
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Oh please.... Your are not bragging about NJ?
its governership has gone to the party out of power for the last 36years. But please in 2012 try to carry the state.... Be sure to spend lots of money and time there. |
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Posts: 1229 (11/04/09 10:54:32) He Of The Red Pen |
Aunor, you apparently have an odd definition of "party out of power"...
Tom Kean (R) served two terms as governor of the state of New Jersey, re-elected in 1986 --- during the Reagan years. What gave New Jersey to the Republicans was Corzine's inability to stick by what he said he'd do. Despite having a Democrat-controlled Senate, he did nothing but expand the powers of special interest groups and increase the monetary burden of the state. The great experiment of putting a white-collar businessman in charge of a state of white-collar businesses failed miserably. You'd think an ex-bigwig of a large financial services firm would have had a better grasp on letting his "employees" spend money like water. |
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Posts: 8728 (11/04/09 13:58:15) The liberals stopped replying so I win. |
thomenthechanter wrote: Corzine is a self-professed "progressive". We all know what that really means. He enacted economic policies that the progressive movement promotes and they failed horribly. Obama and the Democrats in Congress are trying to enact similar radical leftwing policies on the national scale. The Christie victory is a positive sign that independents have realized their mistake in voting for Obama and are now trying to correct it. |
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Posts: 5494 (11/04/09 14:21:01) There are only 10 types |
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Posts: 1231 (11/04/09 14:22:06) He Of The Red Pen |
Keb, I disagree with this statement: "The Christie victory is a positive sign that independents have realized their mistake in voting for Obama and are
now trying to correct it."
Do you live in New Jersey? If you do, perhaps you and I run in different circles, because the general consensus I've seen from both media (exit polling) and people I know is that Obama had nearly no effect on the election. He might have stirred up the Democratic urban districts so that the race was closer than it would have otherwise been, but his visits were basically ignored by many and ignored as publicity stunts by others. Amusing that the White House is now trying to distance itself from the lost, however, claiming that they lost the election because of "local issues", which is true. Of course, if they'd actually engaged their collective noggins, they would've known that there was enough dislike of Corzine as it was that wasting the president's time stumping speeches wasn't going to make a big enough splash to keep him in Drumthwacket. |
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Posts: 8729 (11/04/09 14:39:46) The liberals stopped replying so I win. |
thomenthechanter wrote:I wasn't referring to Obama himself. His personal approval ratings are in direct contrast to the approval ratings for his (and the Democrats in Congress) policies. Independents like Obama personally, they just don't like his leftwing progressive policies, which were an utter failure under Corzine. |
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Posts: 11042 (11/04/09 14:45:21) Lost Cleric of Norrath
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Be that as it may....
http://www.politickernj.com/wallye/34546/historically-new-jersey-likes-governors-party-out-white-hosue |
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Posts: 1232 (11/04/09 16:01:00) He Of The Red Pen |
I was pointing out a factual error in your "36 years" statement, Aunor. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Posts: 8732 (11/04/09 16:49:28) The liberals stopped replying so I win. |
Who do you believe?
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/11/04/west_wing_sees_little_national.html?hpid=topnews ...senior West Wing aides proclaimed themselves largely unconcerned about what last night's Democratic losses might portend for their boss or his agenda.or http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/66219-democratic-angst-over-10 Vulnerable House and Senate Democrats want their leaders to skip the party's controversial legislative agenda for next year to help save their seats in Congress. There are 80 Democrat congressmen and 20 Democrat senators running for reelection next year in states that John McCain won. I don't think the vulnerable Democrats are "largely unconcerned" with the results from last night. |
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Posts: 1233 (11/04/09 18:44:27) He Of The Red Pen |
Both can be true, Keb. Your quotes aren't opposite sides of the same coin because you're talking about two separate sets of people.
The West Wing crew isn't up for reelection, so they can be unconcerned. The representatives and senators are up for reelection, so they might be chewing their nails off. |
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Posts: 11044 (11/04/09 22:12:19) Lost Cleric of Norrath
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and once some form of health care gets passed.... then what? The conversation could change greatly.... from and "unknown" to something
"known." That is a big diffence.
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Posts: 11801 (11/05/09 00:32:07) Don't Blame Me, |
Aunor wrote: Well at that point we start experiencing brain drain as our best and brightest look for a new place to call home. You can laugh now, but part of the reason America has been able to continue to be on top is that the best and the brightest from other countries come here, but if it shifts the other way then we will be left with the generation who can not do simple math in their heads running the show. I was at Fry's Electronic last night and my change due was $9.77 so I handed the guy a quarter so I could get a 10. He looked at his register for a full minute. I explained to him that the change should be $10.02 and he continued to stare at the register counting on his fingers. I finally said for him to give me back the quarter and then give me the change that his register said. I was talking to a friend who is a professor about this and he told me that crap like that is common since they are all dependent on calculators. I just hope we don't lose the mold for ice cube trays........ |
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Posts: 2114 (11/05/09 00:54:04) Ranjahtank |
Also, Keb, some of those 80 Reps are either (a) very conservative Democrats or (b) unable to attract decent Republican opposition. Let's be frank, Mike
Ross would be out of office if the Arkansas GOP could find someone other than a right wing minister or a Foot Locker manager to run against him.
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Posts: 11045 (11/05/09 10:10:20) Lost Cleric of Norrath
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XENOJONES wrote: We can't stay on top.... unless we get more people... LOTS MORE PEOPLE. Pick whatever % (of pop.) you want for "middle income" American. Pick whatever % (of pop.) you want for equivalent inidan or Chinese. Give both groups some percent % growth..... and its pretty clear..... in few years... we are hopelessly out $$$$'ed. |
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Posts: 11803 (11/05/09 11:44:27) Don't Blame Me, |
With the elections every 1% of the vote that switches sides because of Obama's or previously Bush's policies/actions is a 2% swing in the vote. The
Dems have traditionally suffered from voter apathy. This is a huge reason why Obama won by so much because those who are not normally inclined to vote showed
up at the polls to elect him, but in the mid term elections those voters will not show up for other democrat candidates. The real problem Obama faces in
re-election is how many of the first time voters is he going to alienate? If they are following politics for the first time and his policies are not what they
expected and or they see the error of their ways then we will see another cycle where the Republicans control things. Now we need to get Bobby Jindahl back in
track....
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Posts: 11048 (11/05/09 14:58:23) Lost Cleric of Norrath
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Bobby Jindahl?
Don't make me play the youtube again. Pick someone else. |
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