Don't speak for me.
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Aunor |
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I didn't speak for you.
Don't speak for me. |
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thomenthechanter |
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(In case it isn't immediately apparent, my mod-hat is not on my head as I say this. This isn't an official statement, but rather a personal one to the
community.)
Then instead of easily-misunderstood snippets of veiled wisdom, Aunor, step up to the plate and offer some solid, well-reasoned ideas on your views. Leaving things as open as you do just invites people to take them the wrong way or decry your stance as ill-considered. And to the community at large: give other people's concepts at least an iota of a chance before immediately decrying them and the posters. Facts are easily twisted whatever the source (or maybe because of it). You may not agree with what has been said, but that doesn't mean that there isn't some grain of truth within it. If we never actually heard opposing views or alternate theories, then we would stagnate intellectually without the stimulation of other possibilities. (And back to the post...) I happen to personally agree that the government should have only a cursory role in the care of the poor. It is *not* the purview of the federal government to do anything but perhaps dispatch the armed forces to help stabilize the area from a disaster. It is up to us as human beings to reach out a helping hand to those in need, either directly (Habitat for Humanity, giving blood, serving in food kitchens, etc.) or indirectly (funding charites, donating your used cellphones to battered-women organizations, and so on.) We saw it during 9/11, and after Katrina. People from all over the country gave their time to help those who needed them most. |
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Vampiric Muse |
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And to the community at large: give other people's concepts at least an iota of a chance before immediately decrying them and the posters.People often will give respect when it is earned, and well this is a matter of respect. When people don't deserve respect, or abuse the respect given to them, usually it's quite hard to earn it back. That may be why Aunor does not get the benefit of the doubt. Too many people on this board have had to deal with his self admitted (lies) "stories", as well we his not debating but instead spamming until people shut up. |
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Aunor |
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I agree with Xeno. And no one is attacking Xeno. No one is saying explain it Xeno. And he is a conservative... he is not just taking the default Goverment spending is for war spending view. Its a double standard here... even if I agree wiht someone on the right on a moderatemiddle ground view of one issue. I STILL get slammed. I like.
Fine... carry on. Do we really need to take to the soapbox bash me.
You are all way to polarized and projecting it on me.
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thomenthechanter |
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Projecting? This, Aunor, was projecting...
he is not just taking the default Goverment spending is for war spending view. That's not the true conservative line, and you know that... and yet you said it. Why? |
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Aunor |
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National Security-oriented
Individuals who support a strong national defense of the United States fall under this category. Although this opinion is held by others outside the Republican Party, within the GOP it has retained many vocal proponents. This faction had been satisfied with President Bush's policies, but has also criticized him regarding his inactivity on the issue of illegal immigration. More recently this faction has supported continuation of OEF-Afghanistan under the Obama Administration, but have voiced opposition to the projected cuts in military spending and reduction of missile defense programs. Politicians of this nature include Former Senator John Warner, former Representative Duncan Hunter, Senator John McCain, Congressman Peter Hoekstra, Representative Joe Wilson, Representative John Kline, and Representative Duncan D. Hunter. Republicans of this faction may associate themselves with the political philosophy of Neolibertarianism. [edit] Neoconservatives Neoconservatives promote an interventionist foreign policy, including pre-emptive military action against designated enemy nations under certain circumstances. They were the strongest supporters of the Iraq War; many of these 'neocons' were originally considered to be liberals or were affiliated with the Democratic Party in earlier days. Neoconservatives have been credited with importing into the Republican party a more active international policy -- the Republican party was generally thought to be on a course towards isolationism as a reaction against the international bridge building of Bill Clinton.[citation needed] Neoconservatives are willing to act unilaterally when they believe it serves either American interests or a moral position to do so. Neoconservative publications include The Weekly Standard, Commentary, City Journal, National Affairs, and The New Criterion. Neoconservative organizations include the Project for the New American Century, the American Enterprise Institute, the Manhattan Institute, and the Hudson Institute. Fox News Channel is considered to promote a neoconservative philosophy.[citation needed] Those considered among the neoconservatives include former Vice President Dick Cheney, former U.S. Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz and pundits Charles Krauthammer, William Kristol, David Brooks, and David Frum. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factions_in_the_Republican_Party_(United_States)#National_Security-oriented |
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Aunor |
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This platform is respectfully dedicated to our link Table of Contents First item... first thing they want to spend money on.
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thomenthechanter |
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You're not disproving my point, Aunor.
Since when is the GOP truly conservative? |
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Aunor |
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My point was they love defense spending but get all scroogy with domestic spending.
The truth is somewhere in the middle. You ahve to do both.... and cell phones ain't no Iraq war. We can swing it... don't choke on the gnat. |
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thomenthechanter |
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I disagree that cellphones for the poor should be part of domestic spending. As the taxpayer whose money is being taken to fund such a program, I can think of
many better things to do with that money, and I can handle the disbursement myself, thank you very much.
Clothing, shelter, food... these are needs. A cellphone is not a "need", and should not be coming out of my tax dollars. Let the charities provide the cellphones, like they already had been doing. Allstate Insurance collects used phones and redistributes them to people in need. |
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Aunor |
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I can bend on this, but to say the goverment should do NO spending and it should be charities only, that I can not agree with.
I just don't have a "default to no" view when it comes to goverement helping the poor or the sick or the challenged. |
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DanovichFV |
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"Neoconservative publications include The Weekly Standard, Commentary, City Journal, National Affairs, and The New Criterion. Neoconservative
organizations include the Project for the New American Century, the American Enterprise Institute, the Manhattan Institute, and the Hudson Institute. Fox News
Channel is considered to promote a neoconservative philosophy.[citation needed] Those considered among the neoconservatives include former Vice President Dick
Cheney, former U.S. Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz and pundits Charles Krauthammer, William Kristol, David Brooks, and David Frum."
Actually, those are not all neo-cons (Krauthammer is not a neo-con and FoxNews would be an extremely poor example of an organization supporting neo-conservatism). Your wiki entry is a little off. Joe Lieberman would be a better example of a Neo-Con than all the above. Neo-Cons are for a strong US foreign policy that is at times interventionist. However, on domestic issues, neo-cons tend to tread more along liberal lines and would be considered more likely to be pro-choice, lean towards a larger welfare state, and a larger role for the federal government in solving social issues. Another recent phrase for a neo-con would be "Reagan Democrat." Note also that a neo-con would most likely support the giving of cellphones to the homeless and poor (maybe this explains why Xeno likes the idea). A better wiki entry than the Repub factions one (which appears more political than factual) would be the wiki entry on neo-conservatism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism). More on topic though... This is a terrible program for the Feds to be running. If this is were a state run program, then I would have no issues with it as that is the rightful place of social programs run by governments (though I personally would not vote for a local politician who supported such a program). There are no provisions within the US Constitution to justify this program at the federal level though. Edited to read better |
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Aunor |
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Thought you had me on ignore?
Geez try to stand for SOMETHING would you? |
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QaelebFV |
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Going to give this a shot, not sure how it will work out.
[ Image removed: Unrelated to topic. See the Guidelines, Qaeleb. -- Thomen ]
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DanovichFV |
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I do, but it is so much fun to pile on when you are down Aunor.
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Aunor |
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You never heard the proverbs about pigs and mud did you?
Can we get back on supject now? I am not as left as you all like to paint, I am a reflection.... to many of you go to far to the right. Do they need cells? I don't know? But nothing is not the answer. |
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Cerissa |
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First, my apologies if my comments and opinions appear to be attacking anyone within this thread, or within this country. Anyone that knows me personally would know this is not my nature. However, I do stand behind my comments and opinions through my experience working for the government and for the people it provides services to. Second, back to the subject at hand.... I still disapprove. Yep, that's all I have. |
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Aunor |
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See?
Say something moderate and the thread dies. The righty tighty club NEEDS a red flag to charge at. Aunor is not the issue. Aunor needs to act all crazy to keep threads alive. If I didn't it would be the sound of one hand clapping around here. Funny. And not funny haha. |
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XENOJONES |
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Aunor wrote:It's because we are baking pie for you Aunor! |
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KolaniStormynytes |
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Okay, I'm bumping this since I hadn't read Cerissa's post at the bottom of page 3 closely. I am at the Arkansas Lottery Headquarters at the moment. Arkansas joins the national Powerball game tonight, I'm in downtown Little Rock, near the state capitol. In her post on page three, Cerissa asserted: Just for an experiment, and because I was reading the boards on my laptop, I decided to take a little walk to find a public payphone that's not in a building. I gave up after making a circle for six blocks out, and that included near a bus station and the state capitol. Total payphones: Zero. |
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